A05234 bill is a bill that would benefit undocumented students that wasn't to go to college. As some of you may already know undocumented students are not allowed to get any kind of financial aid in any form : scholarship, loans , or grants.
My sister is currently in a program called PRILIGHT . Where they have given her the opportunity to go to Albany and debate bills that are currently trying to be passed. I have found many of them very interesting.
I am for this bill and hope that it will get passed. Especially because the Dream Act was not. I believe that everyone should be given an equal chance. Many undocumented students that want to go to college have lived here all their lives, and are just like us. Also, most of them are fluent English speakers.There are not many kids that are motivated enough to go to college. So why should we prevent those who do have a great chance of succeeding . Now that I am getting closer to college I have seen many of my friends have to go to work or who are looking for a job so that they can pay their pay through college or start their life.
Also, I have seen families where only one (usually the oldest ) child is undocumented and the rest of their sibling are U.S citizens. Some may disagree with me and say that they don't deserve it for many reason. I don't think they understand that it is extremely hard to get a job without a college application and even harder to pay your way though college but not impossible because I have seem people do it.
I wish that you would provide a link to the text of this bill so that we can read it and decide for ourselves.
ReplyDeleteThis blog post is a study in euphemisms: When you say "undocumented students," what you actually mean is illegal aliens who crept across the border and now feel that they are entitled to this, that, and the other.
Having said that ...
I understand that a student's illegal status is not always his or her own fault; his parents may have dragged him across the border at a young age.
However, this bill may encourage others to emigrate illegally if they believe that they will receive certain benefits as a "reward" for breaking the law.
I believe that students should be given benefits and aid based on their talents/ abilities, NOT based on the color of their skin (affirmative action) or as a "reward" for their illegal status.
You write: "I have seen families where only one (usually the oldest) child is undocumented and the rest of their sibling are U.S citizens."
How? If your parents are US citizens, then they have the right to invite people from their home country. Why would the oldest child be an illegal alien?
You write about jobs, but you should realize tha it is against the law for businesses to knowingly employ illegal aliens. I'm sorry, but one does not become an American citizen by sneaking across the border. There is a naturalization PROCESS, and it is unfair when the government gives preferential treatment to those who break the law over those who follow it.
I think that the question of illegal alien students is best handled on a case-by-case basis, not with sweeping and euphemistic generalizations like the ones seen in this blog post. On the one hand, children should not be punished for the sins of their fathers (unless - of course - they continue those sins). At the same time, however, it goes against public policy to reward illegal aliens at the expense of law-abiding, naturalized immigrants who went through the lengthy and difficult process of becoming Americans.
I will put the link up soon . But what if the parents aren't citizens? Iam not disagreeing with you, you make a strong argument but this is a very personal topic for me and not everyone is allowed to get papers as easily as others :(
ReplyDeleteAlthough mike makes a good point that illegal immigrants shouldn't get rewarded for breaking the law, I do agree that people who do want to go to collage shold be able to. It's pretty useless for there to be laws to allow and help people to go to collage but most legal residents don't really want to go. So it is a pretty interestin topic that Illegal immigrants should or shouldn't be allowed to get help to go to collage, even if they are there by their parents wishes. And as for the oldest beging Ilegal and not the others, it isn't that far fetched. A family can move here with a kid ilegaly and then have kids that are born here so that they are born citizens. In the end people shouldn't be rewarded for breaking the law, but is the law useful when those who are entitled don't take advantage of it?
ReplyDeleteI like this topic because it is also very important to me. My brother wasn't born here so he studied really hard through high school and wanted to study web design. Since he wasn't born here he couldn't get financial aid so he just gave up. This happens to many students that weren't born here. It's not people's fault they are breaking the law by not being born here but they should also not be turned down and not helped. THey wouldn't be breaking the law if they were just simply given their papers.
ReplyDeleteI my friend knows someone lets call him "X" that got into a very good College with a scholarship from the school, but once immigration found out he was in that college they deported him. Now another friend of mine is worried about going to college. He wants to be an Architect but his Guidance Counselor will not help him because she had help a out "X" and feels very bad.
ReplyDeleteI have cousins who also wants go to college but it cost to much , also not only don't they get help but they also have to pay more than a U.S citizen. '
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ReplyDeleteOK - I responded to each commentator who posted after I did.
ReplyDeleteElizabeth: Stop using euphemisms!
You write: "What if the parents aren't citizens?" Answer: then they are either legal residents (for instance, they are in the US on a visa) - or they are illegal aliens (meaning that they snuck acorss the border or overstayed their welcome; therefore, they are not authorized by the US government to be here, and the government does not know about them).
Waleed: What point are you trying to make? Most Americans don't want to go to college (really?); therefore, illegal immigration is legal. HUH?
Maybe we should just fling our borders open to whoever wants to come here, without checking who they are, whether they have a criminal record, what skills/talents/abilities they can contribute, etc. I mean, we have a 9% unemployment rate; we can't provide jobs for our own people - but let's fling our borders open anyway, right?
Also, when you mention the children of illegal aliens born in the US, you are referring to "anchor babies." If you have a child (or spouse, etc.) who is a US citizen, then it becomes easier for YOU to become a citizen.
So, illegal aliens come here, give birth on American soil, and then - as if by magic - they can become naturalized. Think about it: it is IMPOSSIBLE to deport someone if his/ her child is a US citizen. What are you going to do with the kid???
So, illegal aliens are guaranteed a stay in the US if they give birth on American soil. Isn't that just wonderful? You come here illegally, you give birth, and - wa-la - you're an American! This fact inevitably affords preferential treatment to illegal aliens who give birth over those who don't. In other words, illegal aliens are REWARDED for giving birth during their illegal occupation of US soil. If that isn't the most screwed-up policy ever, I don't know what is.
Jessica: HUH? You don't have to be born in the United States to be a citizen. There is a naturalization process for immigrants. However, ILLEGAL immigration (for instance, sneaking across the border without the authorization or knowledge of the federal government) is not the same.
When a person living in one country crosses into another country without permission, that is not "immigration." It is an invasion.
(No offense to your brother, whose situation I do not know.)
Elizabeth: Like I said before, I believe that children should not punished for the sins of their fathers - UNLESS they continue those sins. The truth is, everything depends on the situation and individual in question.
Michel : i think we are changing the topic. Are you saying that because its “wrong “ to be here illegally, that that they should not be allowed to go to college here ? That it’s a sin that they are here ?
ReplyDeletePeople are starving and dieing in other countries so they come here to make a living. America benfits a lot from illegal immigrants hard work. As for the jobs many get paid very little and do jobs no one eles wants.
By the way : How am I euphemisms?
- "Undocumented" immigrants is a euphemism for "illegal aliens."
ReplyDelete- It is ILLEGAL for businesses to knowingly hire illegal aliens. And, yes, those businesses that unlawfully hire aliens do tend to abuse them by paying them less than minimum wage, etc. The employees are afraid to complain because they fear that their immigration status will be discovered and that they will be deported back to their native country.
So, when you write that "many get paid very little," you are acknowledging that they are being abused - and you don't care! You are so eager to defend illegal immigration that you don't care about the abuse faced by aliens at the hands of the businesses that employ them (unlawfully).
As for college, I will concede that it depends on the situation. If the child snuck across the border with his parents when he was, say, two - then obviously it would be unjust to deny that child access to a college education.
BUT - here is the problem with the DREAM Act.
http://www.aolnews.com/2010/12/08/opinion-whats-wrong-with-the-dream-act/
I really dont know what to say to you , your unbelievable. How can you say that I don't care that they are believing abused.
ReplyDeleteI just thought that the bill was nice it helping out children who hope of getting a better life. I know many who are effected personally but I unlike you cannot make a good argument. You are saying that it all depends at what age the child has come to America?
If the child was not aware that he was committing a crime, then I do feel sympathy for him. Like I said, children should not punished for the "sins" of their fathers - but they shouldn't be rewarded for them, either.
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